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mrBrian1-160

Posted - 2009 August 09 :  9:48:24 PM  Show Profile
I found these pictures on a Wikipedia page I happened to come across for the Chevy Vega. It seems like this car was designed to compete with the Ford Pinto. Anyways, I was interested to learn that the Vega was designed to be shipped by rail car in the nose-down configuration to increase capacity per rail car. I don't know how unique this was to the Vega but I never realized autos could be shipped like that. I think the pictures from Wiki (if the attachments work) would make a very interesting modeling scene if only it wasn't for GM's ban on allowing small scale models and if anyone made a decent looking Vert-a-pac railcar with operable fold down sides (that wouldn't be too toy like). I have to admit I don't know what's available. Freight cars have never been my primary interest but I considered this one of those exceptions. I think it would make a really cool ready to run model for operation or display. Also, I was wondering if a manufacturer could get around GM's licensing restrictions by giving the car a generic name such as "1970's American car" instead of Chevy Vega. Whether you liked the Vega or hated it, it is distinctively 1970's. In the same respect I would also be happy to see N-scale Pintos, Gremlins & Pacers. I am sure they are not exactly a "must have item" in N-scale but considering they are already available in HO, it will be like another milestone in N-scale vehicle modeling when we get those cars! I am only half serious about that.

-Brian


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joetrain59

Posted - 2009 August 09 :  9:55:25 PM  Show Profile
Wow! That's a new one on me. Never saw/heard anything like that. It would be a very interesting model.
Joe



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C855B

Posted - 2009 August 09 :  10:12:14 PM  Show Profile  Visit C855B's Homepage
What you're asking about was unique to the Vega. The engine had special design features including baffles and other fluid containment systems to allow the nose-down shipment.

The Vega/Vert-a-pac program was also a failure, as it was eventually discovered that the vertical shipment was one factor (of many) in premature drivetrain problems. As GM is wont to do, they tried too many new ideas in the Vega all at once, and the reputation for sorting out the experiments on the customers' dime didn't exactly help sales of the model.



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wpsnts

Posted - 2009 August 09 :  11:48:51 PM  Show Profile
ExactRail makes the railcar although the doors do not open.
http://www.exactrail.com/index.php/products?scale=151&product_type=327

I saw some Gremlins on the bay last month. I don't remember who made them but they're out there.


Dave


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mrBrian1-160

Posted - 2009 August 10 :  03:13:45 AM  Show Profile
[quote]Originally posted by wpsnts

ExactRail makes the railcar although the doors do not open.
http://www.exactrail.com/index.php/products?scale=151&product_type=327

Thanks. I think I might want to get some of these. I'll just have to keep an eye out for "if or when" ExactRail releases these cars in Southern Pacific. From what I've read SP by far had the largest roster of these cars.



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graftonterminalrr

Posted - 2009 August 10 :  09:14:08 AM  Show Profile  Visit graftonterminalrr's Homepage
AMC made Gremlins.

Oh, HO scale models. That would be Fresh Cherries.


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Rossford Yard

Posted - 2009 August 10 :  10:19:06 AM  Show Profile
I was aware of the vertical packing, but not that it was specific to Vegas....

If Vega and Pinto were designed to compete with each other, it was a competition to see who could build the worst car, or so it seemed.

In the end, it looks like they got 24 cars in the vertipak. How many could they have fit into a standard tri level autorack? Probably not enough more to warrant a specialized car design that could only benefit one model of car. Not to mention that your loading tracks would occur in singles for access to two sides, whereas the racks load from the end in a string.

Overall, not hard to see why they had a short life on the railroads. Not to thread hijack, but what other rolling stock types had similarly short lives? I know NYC tried roadrailer type cars in the 50's which proved to be unsuccessful and 40 years ahead of its time. Anything else?


Jeff

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graftonterminalrr

Posted - 2009 August 10 :  10:43:01 AM  Show Profile  Visit graftonterminalrr's Homepage
quote:


If Vega and Pinto were designed to compete with each other, it was a competition to see who could build the worst car, or so it seemed.



Remeber, we're also looking back with more than 35 years of hindsight. Both these cars came out in the early 70's and when they were new, we didn't think of them as clunkers.

It's akin to choosing between a 2010 Ford Focus and a 2010 Honda Civic - 35 years from now, will these cars be looked at as throwaways?

Hell, I drive a well-preserved 1994 Chevy Cavalier, last year of the first generation body style that came out in '82. When the Cavaliers were new, they sure seemed to be popular....


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Benny

Posted - 2009 August 10 :  10:47:28 AM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by graftonterminalrr

quote:


If Vega and Pinto were designed to compete with each other, it was a competition to see who could build the worst car, or so it seemed.



Remeber, we're also looking back with more than 35 years of hindsight. Both these cars came out in the early 70's and when they were new, we didn't think of them as clunkers.

It's akin to choosing between a 2010 Ford Focus and a 2010 Honda Civic - 35 years from now, will these cars be looked at as throwaways?

Hell, I drive a well-preserved 1994 Chevy Cavalier, last year of the first generation body style that came out in '82. When the Cavaliers were new, they sure seemed to be popular....



Well, they are built as throwaways from the start, so yes.

"Designed Obsolescence."



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Brakie

Posted - 2009 August 10 :  10:49:35 AM  Show Profile
Jeff,I had a '76 5 speed Vega Sport SE that could get rubber in all 5 gears.I drove that thing 178,000 miles.

Back to topic..

It would be interesting to model a Vert a pac loading center with one car partly loaded..



Larry
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nickj

Posted - 2009 August 10 :  10:59:48 AM  Show Profile
30 Vegas in the vertapack.

Nick

When in doubt, reboot.

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sd90ns

Posted - 2009 August 10 :  11:07:23 AM  Show Profile
The Chevy Vega was designed from the beginning to be shipped nose down.

It was also apparently “designed” to go quickly from the nose down position to the belly-up position.



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DanBI

Posted - 2009 August 10 :  11:17:10 AM  Show Profile
I owned two Vegas ... a '72 and a '76, both bought used for real cheap (they were acknowledged to be junk within their lifespans), both driven until they dropped dead. I think I got over 100,000 miles on the two combined. And the aluminum engine blocks were worth something at the scrap yard!

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Dan

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sd90ns

Posted - 2009 August 10 :  12:48:11 PM  Show Profile
I think old Vega aluminum engines were sold to the U.S. Navy. They mounted them on Destroyer Escorts as smoke screen generators.

The two people I knew who own Vegas were going through a quart of motor oil every week, I joked about the Vegas having a two stroke motor. Neither of these poor sods had 30,000 miles on them when this was occurring.

Those Exact Rail Verta-Pack cars have the best and most numerous labeling I’ve ever seen on any piece of N-Scale rolling stock.



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Rossford Yard

Posted - 2009 August 10 :  1:52:43 PM  Show Profile
I recall the Vegas and Pintos as not very good cars and at a time when the Japanese models were just starting to make inroads in America. Maybe my memory is tarnished by the gas cap flap the Pintos had.

Jeff

GM of the Indiana Harbor Belt - The "Expanding Belt Line"


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wm3798

Posted - 2009 August 10 :  1:59:31 PM  Show Profile  Visit wm3798's Homepage
It's funny, but the Pinto and Vega were designed as an answer to the VW Beetle, which at the time was the largest selling import car. But it turned out the question was Toyota and Honda...

Lee


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