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davidone

Posted - 2008 July 04 :  12:46:45 AM  Show Profile
Are the Northern Pacific FP7's out yet? And if so what are the chances that they will match the NP passenger cars from Rapido? Would you take the chance that they will or wait for a F7 from Kato?

Dave

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jeffsauer1957

Posted - 2008 July 04 :  10:23:10 AM  Show Profile
David,

The Northern Pacific Intermountain "Loewy Pasenger Paint Scheme" (light and dark green seperated by a single stripe) - FP7's Are Indeed Out and About.
As a matter of fact, Intermountain currently has them on special, for we NP "N" Scalers! This also includes a matching Passenger F7B, which includes the 'stainless steel' "Northern Pacific" name mounted with a matching Passenger F unit Grill.

In the pictures they look AWESOME !

Doing the FP7 is Quite an odd choice to the "real" Proto freaks of the NP.

Because...

They only owned 2 of them - They had NO Dynamic Brakes, and hence were not part of the NP Transcontinental Passenger Engine pool... They couldn't be used in the Mountains!

Their assignments were 99.99% of the time, on the Minneapolis to Duluth, and the Minneapolis to Brainard to International Falls, Minnesota - Passenger runs. Not very large Train consists on relatively flat territory, they usually ran alone. Usually they were backed up by NP Passenger, Boiler equiped GP7's or GP9's.

(I wanna say) In 1964, NP had a horrible disaster with the "North Coast Limited," near a very sharp curve, and steep embankment, near the trestle of Hope, Idaho. The lead unit, I believe, Still to this day - Sits 100 to 200 feet stuck in solid muck and mud and mire. Estimates had the Engine Crew sound asleep and going over 90 to 100 mph, dashing into the deep depths ofan extremely murky Lake. The Boom and crane cars, tipped trying to get the units out. It was a deadly mess.

Until one of NP's Freight F units could be converted to Passenger use (just a day or two or so) One of the FP7's filled in. I have only ever seen this one NP FP7 Passenger Engine unit in a single picture - A very Rare event. I wonder how the Engine crews appreciated not having ANY Dynamic Brakes on NP's Mountain Territories ?

Also, With the advent of AMTRAK, for railfans, BN ran one of the FP's at the head of the Very Last NP-Based "NCL" and once again, I have ever seen one Picture of this FP7 in the Transconteninetal NP/BN Srvice.

They spent most of their lives, toiling away in the shrubery of Minnesota! - "Ya, You Betcha."

Intermountain has said that they will be releasing the standard F7 in the "N" Loewy paint also.

It's just a "Win-Win" if you are a fan of the Northern Pacific!

Amen!





Edited by - jeffsauer1957 on 2008 July 04 10:36:45 AM

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jeffsauer1957

Posted - 2008 July 04 :  10:28:07 AM  Show Profile
AND Sir David,

We have about 5 different Mfgr's NP "Loewy paint" to match.

1. Those original Rapido cars
2. The Con-Cor North Coast Limited Boxed set cars.
3. The Con-Cor regular production NP cars.
4. The New Walther's NP cars.
5. The NEW Rapido NP cars.

All different shades of the classic NP 2 Green with single white stripe paint scheme.

I am also anxious to see which cars, Intermountain's NP Passenger Engine Paint matches!



Jeff



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davidone

Posted - 2008 July 04 :  11:20:19 AM  Show Profile
Thanks Jeff for your insight on the NP. Very interesting. Maybe Kato will do a name train like the SP and Pa. in NP. I do believe that the Lowery scheme for the NP is the most beautiful behind the SP daylight. The IM FP7's do look good though and will look good on the roster. Btw did they run in ABA or some other configuration.

Dave



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BMcElhoe

Posted - 2008 July 04 :  12:49:48 PM  Show Profile  Visit BMcElhoe's Homepage
I'm curious... The NP FP's were equipped with snow plows unique to these two units (unlike the plows on their F7's). Should I could also hope that these Intermountain units come with these plows as well...

I know... There's always aftermarket items.


My decision is maybe and that's final!

Bruce
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garyac12

Posted - 2008 July 04 :  12:59:19 PM  Show Profile
OK so now I'm confused.
What engine was used in the 2-tone green for passenger service? If not an FP7, was it an F7?

And Dave, yes, I'm an SP guy who also likes the color scheme of the NP 2-tone green.


N-Joy
Gary

Edited by - garyac12 on 2008 July 04 1:00:21 PM

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davidone

Posted - 2008 July 04 :  1:32:36 PM  Show Profile
gary, Glad to see another SP, NP nut. Now if IM can get the cab forward out in a reasonable time i will really be happy.

Dave



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garyac12

Posted - 2008 July 04 :  1:42:32 PM  Show Profile
Dave
I hope they re-release the cabforward in a year.

I really want 6 to 10, but the CFO has imposed a funding limit on me. Even though it is plastic, and a lot cheaper than brass, multiple engines will still be expensive. So I have 2 only on order. I would do another 2 or 3 next year.


N-Joy
Gary

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NP1969

Posted - 2008 July 04 :  7:49:21 PM  Show Profile  Visit NP1969's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by garyac12

OK so now I'm confused.
What engine was used in the 2-tone green for passenger service? If not an FP7, was it an F7?

And Dave, yes, I'm an SP guy who also likes the color scheme of the NP 2-tone green.



The original two-tone green (aka butterknife scheme) was used from 1947 to 1953. I don't have my NP book with me, but I think that means that it was applied to F3s. Not sure about any F7s in that paint scheme. I'm trying to model Western Montana in 1969, so I didn't order the FP7s, but I did order a pair of the B units in the hope that F7As would be just over the horizon. The Loewy scheme was applied to F3, F7 and F9s.

I'm not holding my breath that the Rapido cars will match the paint of the Walthers cars. I dabble in HO and have some Rapido and Walthers passenger cars in that scale. The dark green shade is distinctly different between them (Rapido is much darker). The Intermountain paint colors on the HO FP7s are a closer match for the Walthers cars. I will also add that Rapido states in the accompanying paperwork that they got color chips from the Northern Pacific Historical Society to specially formulate the paint colors.



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jeffsauer1957

Posted - 2008 July 04 :  11:16:47 PM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by davidone

Thanks Jeff for your insight on the NP. Very interesting. Maybe Kato will do a name train like the SP and Pa. in NP. I do believe that the Lowery scheme for the NP is the most beautiful behind the SP daylight. The IM FP7's do look good though and will look good on the roster. Btw did they run in ABA or some other configuration.

Dave

Probably not, but it's our Model Railroad's, so There! Ha!

They were used, almost their entire lives, as singularly run units, hauling two to 5 car "local" Passenger trains. And as I said, they were backed up on those routes with the "Torpedo Tubed" NP GP7's and GP9's. NP units that had larger fuel tanks and Steam generators in them.

I am also (as I am supposing you are) very tempted to run an A-B-A FP7 set. It would look longer than a normal NP A-B-A set, but like American Flyer did with the NP PA's, I would think that this 'extra' length would really make the 'complete unit' regal, long, and very cool!

Also, the units are on sale right now, and I have heard the intermountains run Fantabulous!

Jeff



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jeffsauer1957

Posted - 2008 July 04 :  11:21:10 PM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by BMcElhoe

I'm curious... The NP FP's were equipped with snow plows unique to these two units (unlike the plows on their F7's). Should I could also hope that these Intermountain units come with these plows as well...

I know... There's always aftermarket items.



Everybody sing along; "Aftermarket-Aftermarket-Aftermarket Clementine,...



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jeffsauer1957

Posted - 2008 July 04 :  11:49:10 PM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by garyac12

OK so now I'm confused.
What engine was used in the 2-tone green for passenger service? If not an FP7, was it an F7?

And Dave, yes, I'm an SP guy who also likes the color scheme of the NP 2-tone green.

Gary, after about late/mid 1955, ALL NP passenger Equipment - the Entire Passenger F Unit Fleet - eventually wore the Loewy 2 Greens with White stripes. Those passenger train equipped Geeps wore the standard NP Gold-Yellow/red and black.

The original "Butterknife" paint, which is a relatively new termed used to describe the original older PASSENGER paint scheme was considered too drab and conservative as the "North Coast Limited" was getting upgraded to compete with GN and Milwaukee Road.

The NP Management, in a Brilliant move contracted (already Corporate Leader recognized Specialist) Raymond Loewy, to come up with a New Paint Scheme that reflected both the Pride and Beauty of the Northern Pacific Company and country. He interviewed many employee's ! - system wide ! - And late one night, it was in the Jefferson River Canyon in Montana, that he paused and saw the 2 Green's. (Halfway between Bozemann and Butte, Montana)

This route, while not part of today's Montana Rail Link Mainline thru Helena, Was part of the NP Passenger Mainline via Butte, Montana. David Morgan, editorial Emeritus of Trains magazine, called that Passenger ride via the Butte Line - THE Most Beautiful Passenger ride in ALL of North America. He said that everytime he rode it he was struck by surprise with its surprises and majesty.

That's the long answer.

Short answer; All NP Passenger F3/F5/F7 and F9's - along with those 2 FP7's wore the "Classic" Raymond Loewy 2 Tone Green with white stripe paint - again generally from 1955 until, thru and past the BN merger of 1970.

One other interesting note; NP's Dome cars, both the coaches and sleepers, were the last "New NCL" Passenger equipment to arrive on NP property, and I believe were the ONLY "NEW" North Coast Limited cars, that NEVER saw the old Passenger paint scheme applied to them. Loewy Paint ALL THE WAY !!!

And Yes, when the 2 "New" FP7's arrived on the NP, they arrived in the OLD Conservative Passenger "Butterknife" Paint! They then were repainted into Loewy colors, along with everything else Passenger, after a couple of years.

Those FP7's were the only NP Passenger F Units to have the "Snowplow Pilot", probably because they were used, almost exclusively in Minnesota, from Minneapolis to the hinterlands! - The only 2 such units on the whole NP system!

I hope this has all helped!



Jeff



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nkalanaga

Posted - 2008 July 05 :  12:11:59 AM  Show Profile
Thank you! We don't have an Intermountain dealer here in the wilds of Eastern Kentucky, and I haven't wanted to buy an FP7 unseen. Since I model Montana in the BN/Amtrak era, it seems that I don't need one after all. That will save a few dollars.

N. Kalanaga
Be well.

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garyac12

Posted - 2008 July 05 :  02:25:22 AM  Show Profile
Dang, why didn't IM do the 2-tone green on an F3 or F7 rather than the FP7.
Oh well, I have to roll the dice and get the FP7, in case they don't do it in the other F-units.

Thanks for the info Jeff.


N-Joy
Gary

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jeffsauer1957

Posted - 2008 July 05 :  07:48:03 AM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by garyac12

Dang, why didn't IM do the 2-tone green on an F3 or F7 rather than the FP7.
Oh well, I have to roll the dice and get the FP7, in case they don't do it in the other F-units.

Thanks for the info Jeff.

Some rather obscure and bizarre Bob Dylan songs from the 1960's come to my mind as an answer to your question, but I'll stick with a simple one; "The Answer My Friend, Is Blowin' In The Wind" !

Probably to get as much mileage out of the brand new FP7 shell and FP7 mechanism as possible. Creating an engine and a specific "Well Quality" drive train can get Very Expensive and I have no arguements - knowing this - in Intermountain doing so. Not one bit. Recoup your Investment and make some money!



As you can see, I am An NP 'diehard' and to tell you the truth, I'm gonna try, to go after an A/B/A set of the FP7's in Loewy paint... Help them, help put a smile on my face and just plain Have Fun with my Trains. Itza Hobby! A visual Hobby. And Besides, I can only stand my own "rivit counting" so much, sometimes...

Besides Intermountain has said that an authentic F7 in the Loewy Passenger colors, IS coming, so, like I said earier; It's "Win-Win" for NP fans!



The one slip up that they done so far, as far as NP "F" units are concerned; All of Intermountains "Freight Painted NP "F7's" Units, wore two headlights on the nose. Intermountains, Complete Northern Pacific F7 A Unit - Freight release of the "Classic" Gold/yellow, red and Black, came out, with only ONE Headlight... A Bummer.

When NP began modernizing in the 1950's (late) NP even thru Twin Sealed Beam Headlights on the front doors of their FT's, giving them a rather cool and inique look.

The Last Complete FT unit "Army" belonged to the Northern Pacific. Their Engine cleaning and maintenance regime was legendary and was copied by Santa Fe and NYC, to name a few. Those FT's, the complete NP Fleet, held in it's entirety, was a source of Great Pride amoung NP Officials!

NP, as a Company, was very safety concious, and all of their engines rode with a Gyralight AND Headlight!

Anyway, Corrected original F7A's have been promised from Intermountain, on their very next batch of F7 shell runs, with a Free upgrade for You or a Dealer! You or your dealer mail the old shell in and in some cases, just a phone call will do, and they'll replace it for Free with the Twin Headlight corrected Nose!.

These engines still look wwaaayyyy cool to me. Authentic Northern Pacific "F" Units in all 3 color paint schemes released on one of the smoothest running chasis in all of "N" Scale! -And if you so wish, they are all DCC ready!

Jeff



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hegstad1

Posted - 2008 July 05 :  11:52:46 AM  Show Profile
quote:


One other interesting note; NP's Dome cars, both the coaches and sleepers, were the last "New NCL" Passenger equipment to arrive on NP property, and I believe were the ONLY "NEW" North Coast Limited cars, that NEVER saw the old Passenger paint scheme applied to them. Loewy Paint ALL THE WAY !!!


Jeff



Nice work on this topic Jeff. Fun reading!

I don't have all my material with me so I may be mistaken, but there were several types of passenger cars delivered to the NP after the switch to the loewy scheme. The first and obvious ones are the Slumbercoaches which of corse stayed stainless steel. Another was the Budd build diners of 1956(?). The 8-6-4 sleepers were also delivered in Loewy I think. There were a bunch of streamlined baggage cars delievered in several batches but they were mostly used on the Mainstreeter but a couple were transformed into water/baggage cars for use on the NCL after the aforementioned crashes. These were not strictly "NEW" however.



Andrew Hegstad

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