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Spikre

Posted - 2007 April 11 :  11:51:13 AM  Show Profile

was sort of surprised to see the USRA DS car listed as a needed HO Car !!
there are 3 sources in HO,althought one is getting scarcer:
Westerfield
Ertl
Accu-Rail
what seems to be the problem ?
Westerfield has revamped thier kit for easier assembly,but many still dont warm up to Resin kits !
Ertl was rather nice and could be had for bargain prices until recently.now they are
getting a bit harder to locate.
Accu-Rail is an easy Shake the Box kit,it is easily detailed and up-graded to excellent Status !
Needed:
a good Shake the Box USRA Single sheathed Car !!
it gets a bit tedious assembling the various Tichy variations,but thats the best way for now.
Westerfield may still have thier USRA SS kit
available ? but again its a Resin Kit.
guess maybe some one wants an Atlas Steam Era Classic version ?
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Lou DiGrazia

Posted - 2007 April 11 :  1:08:01 PM  Show Profile
Hey Spikre, which roads is the Accurail car accurate for? (Or at least real close.) Thanks.

Lou DiGrazia




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Orsonroy

Posted - 2007 April 11 :  3:34:53 PM  Show Profile
Count me OUT for a USRA DS or SS car. With the options you've mentioned above there are way too many on the market (I know; I've got a few of each!)

Now what we NEED is a USRA STEEL boxcar. These cars were "only" used by the NYC and their affiliates (just as the X29 was "only" used by the Pennsy), but woth 30,000+ built every 1920-1970 modeler needs at least one! (thankfully, there's a solid rumor out that one's in the works in plastic).

I think what Atlas should come out with instead is a NYC-pattern 38 foot DS boxcar (trussrod AND fishbelly steel underframes!). They're a unique design, but there were thousands more of these cars on the road than all of the USRA and clone cars combined!


Ray Breyer

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gna

Posted - 2007 April 11 :  6:09:11 PM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Lou DiGrazia

Hey Spikre, which roads is the Accurail car accurate for? (Or at least real close.) Thanks.

Lou DiGrazia





Not to speak for Spikre, but I think the Frisco received the most USRA DS cars, 3,500 cars. See http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/slsf128209main.html

Other railroads that used these cars were the Great Northern and the Minneapolis & St. Louis. Accurail has a model decorated for all of these roads. I'm not certain how accurate it is, but it looks close to my eye.


Gary

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Spikre

Posted - 2007 April 11 :  7:40:06 PM  Show Profile

Lou,
24,500 USRA DS boxcars were built,most went to middle America roads,but DL&W had a fleet.
500 cars with Ventilators were built for FEC,they brought the total up to 25,000 !
many were rebuilt in the 30s with Steel Sheathing,some were rebuilt in kind and sold to
other roads by firms like Hyman-Michaels.
will get a list worked up later !!
the Accu-Rail car is rather nice and can be detailed easily.
the NWP "Overnite" car by Accu-rail is well done,several runs have sold out !!
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Edwardsutorik

Posted - 2007 April 11 :  8:58:40 PM  Show Profile
As at least one of the people who said they'd like a USRA double sheathed box, I'll say that I want one in styrene with detailing on a level of the Athearn 2970 ACF car, or maybe their Santa Fe reefer. Oh, yeah, I'd like it to be "in production", not just available on e-bay. I think that lets out Westerfield, Ertl, and Accurail.

Yeah, a steel USRA car would be nice too.

But, the SP&S had them (the woodies) and converted many to wood-chip service--cars of particular interest to me. I am thinking of building them from "scratch". I got some Tichy ends to see if I could use them. I can, if I'm willing to accept cast on ladder verticals--I'd prefer not to.

Ed



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Spikre

Posted - 2007 April 12 :  2:48:24 PM  Show Profile

Lou,
as per MM Jan/Feb 1980:
ATSF
ACL
B&M
C&WC
CB&Q
CRI&P
CSPM&O
DL&W
DT&I
EJ&E
GTW
GN
KCS
M&StL
MP
NYC,CCC&StL,T&OC
NWP
PM
SLSF
SP&S
Wabash
for Ed:
Scratch Building Article with Evergreen Styrene,
MM,March/April 1980 !!
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Edwardsutorik

Posted - 2007 April 12 :  9:22:19 PM  Show Profile
Well, yeah, sure!!!

Ed



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Steve Wagner

Posted - 2007 April 12 :  9:26:54 PM  Show Profile
Ray, Ed and others interested in the New York Central System's early steel boxcars, take a look at the March issue of RailModel Journal. (I bought mine today.)


Edited by - Steve Wagner on 2007 April 12 9:28:16 PM

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Orsonroy

Posted - 2007 April 13 :  08:23:25 AM  Show Profile
Steve,

I saw that article, and have heard the "official rumor mill" over at STMFC. Of course, we can't actually talk about the new item until it hits the press, but I think I'll be VERY satisfied!


Ray Breyer

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jon grant

Posted - 2007 April 16 :  7:24:58 PM  Show Profile
Just finished building my first Tichy kit, although I have yet to apply the decals.

For some strange reason I couldn't get the coupler box at the right height and had to fit offset shank Kadees. Is this a problem with the kit - or me (I used kadee bettendorfs and filed as much of the post away as possible, too

Jon


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Spikre

Posted - 2007 April 16 :  8:14:36 PM  Show Profile

Jon,
is the coupler too high,or too low ??
Gould Tichy Items were close to scale and generally low !!
will check one later.
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jon grant

Posted - 2007 April 17 :  04:08:35 AM  Show Profile
Bob,
I have found the same with the tank cars, and the low coupler is usually rectified with a couple of washers. However the boxcar coupler box was decidedly high and a high-set shanked coupler was needed.

I'll post a pic tonight.

Jon


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Spikre

Posted - 2007 April 17 :  10:47:28 AM  Show Profile

Jon,
its the Kadee trucks !!
try a set of Tichy or Accu-Rail Andrews trucks and compare the hieghts !!
the Tichy car is a Single Sheathed USRA,will post a roster of them shortly !!
but an Atlas Steam Era Classic USRA SS would be WELCOME also !!
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jon grant

Posted - 2007 April 17 :  4:47:18 PM  Show Profile
Here is my Tichy USRA boxcar (painted in 'warm aubergine' - it was the only spray I could find)




Compare it to the Accurail version





I replaced the over-shank couplers with standard #5s and filed down some more of the truck beam. here it is against a Kadee boccar




...and a Branchline one




I think the Branchline car will be receiving the treatment.


Bob, I have some boxcar decals for MONON, and DLW. Did either of these have SS boxcars, and if so, did they bother with the slogans?

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Spikre

Posted - 2007 April 17 :  7:24:15 PM  Show Profile

Jon,
not sure about the Branchline car,but it should be close to correct,
a slight variation in height isnt a problem with # 5s,but may be with Scale Sized Knuckles ??
All USRA cars were built with 40,50,or 70 ton Andrews trucks - gondolas.
some of the boxcars were rated at 40 tons,the Double sheathed mainly.[]
the Accu-Rail SS car is based on the CN cars built from about 1916 to about 1927,both single and double door,and high and low bodies,the A-C is based on the High Body.its a good stand in for USRA Clones built with Z Bar braceing
dureing the 20s.
Tichy does have the As Built USRA SS,D&H Cement car rebuild,Georgia steel side conversion,P&LE Complete steel rebuild,and the CP Clone with 2 piece ends !!
a nice varity !!
cars built in the 20s with Zs or Pressed Braceing usaully had 2 piece ends,some were taller,some lower,some with double doors.
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Waiting For Skip's Train To Pull Into Hillside Station !!



Edited by - Spikre on 2007 April 18 3:44:40 PM

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