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B_n_O_Hendo

Posted - 2004 December 05 :  9:55:37 PM  Show Profile  Visit B_n_O_Hendo's Homepage
While at the Train Show today, I noticed a table had a video that said it had the only footage available of the Wreck of J #611. It said the loco slipped the rails, ran down an embankment, and killed the engineer. Unfortunately being this close to X-mas, I have to spend money on others, so I passed on this (for now). But I had never heard of this event. Any of you N&W fans able to fill me in on the details? Thanks.

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SLSF Freak

Posted - 2004 December 05 :  11:24:54 PM  Show Profile
You can read details of the incident from the Interstate Commerce Commission report reproduced at this site: http://home.comcast.net/~hoboron/test/icc-report.htm

Apparently it took the curve too fast and indeed ended up on it's side 68 ft below the main at the bottom of the embankment.

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SLSF Freak

Posted - 2004 December 05 :  11:24:54 PM  Show Profile
You can read details of the incident from the Interstate Commerce Commission report reproduced at this site: http://home.comcast.net/~hoboron/test/icc-report.htm

Apparently it took the curve too fast and indeed ended up on it's side 68 ft below the main at the bottom of the embankment.

Regards,
-Mike



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siderod II

Posted - 2004 December 05 :  11:56:19 PM  Show Profile  Visit siderod II's Homepage
Thats a pretty in-depth ICC report...pretty informative and actually kinda fun to read too.

I wonder if there are any pictures of this? That would be an interesting derailment. Sounds sort of simaler to this wreck on the CP Rail Mainline. Picture given to me by Mike Hagarty:



For reference, there is one unit visable, and 2 completely submerged...that unit that is showing is the rear-most unit...the other 2, including the lead unit with the engineer in it, is under water. The engineer died, but i believe the fireman lived...somehow.

While not the wreck your talkin about, B n O, it's a simaler accident, IIRC the rail either gave way, or the track was broken.



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siderod II

Posted - 2004 December 05 :  11:56:19 PM  Show Profile  Visit siderod II's Homepage
Thats a pretty in-depth ICC report...pretty informative and actually kinda fun to read too.

I wonder if there are any pictures of this? That would be an interesting derailment. Sounds sort of simaler to this wreck on the CP Rail Mainline. Picture given to me by Mike Hagarty:



For reference, there is one unit visable, and 2 completely submerged...that unit that is showing is the rear-most unit...the other 2, including the lead unit with the engineer in it, is under water. The engineer died, but i believe the fireman lived...somehow.

While not the wreck your talkin about, B n O, it's a simaler accident, IIRC the rail either gave way, or the track was broken.



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RussStraw

Posted - 2004 December 06 :  12:08:23 AM  Show Profile  Visit RussStraw's Homepage
It has been pointed out that because the 611 was extensively rebuilt after this wreck, that it was in the best shape of any of the J class engines when it was retired. That is why it was the one chosen to be preserved.

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Posted - 2004 December 06 :  12:08:23 AM  Show Profile  Visit RussStraw's Homepage
It has been pointed out that because the 611 was extensively rebuilt after this wreck, that it was in the best shape of any of the J class engines when it was retired. That is why it was the one chosen to be preserved.

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Brakie

Posted - 2004 December 06 :  08:46:40 AM  Show Profile
According to a 83 year old retired N&W engineer friend of mine all of the Js at one time or the other ended up in the Tug Fork as these locomotives was top heavy.He also said that the Js was nick named "Widow Makers".

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Brakie

Posted - 2004 December 06 :  08:46:40 AM  Show Profile
According to a 83 year old retired N&W engineer friend of mine all of the Js at one time or the other ended up in the Tug Fork as these locomotives was top heavy.He also said that the Js was nick named "Widow Makers".

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NandW

Posted - 2004 December 06 :  09:14:35 AM  Show Profile
What makes you think the J was top heavy?




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NandW

Posted - 2004 December 06 :  09:14:35 AM  Show Profile
What makes you think the J was top heavy?




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B_n_O_Hendo

Posted - 2004 December 06 :  09:30:31 AM  Show Profile  Visit B_n_O_Hendo's Homepage
You know, with all that shrouding on top, they look kind of top heavy.


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B_n_O_Hendo

Posted - 2004 December 06 :  09:30:31 AM  Show Profile  Visit B_n_O_Hendo's Homepage
You know, with all that shrouding on top, they look kind of top heavy.


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k9wrangler

Posted - 2004 December 06 :  09:33:46 AM  Show Profile
Now days they'd probably use fibreglass or carbon fiber and it would be light as a flea!

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k9wrangler

Posted - 2004 December 06 :  09:33:46 AM  Show Profile
Now days they'd probably use fibreglass or carbon fiber and it would be light as a flea!

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NandW

Posted - 2004 December 06 :  09:41:21 AM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by B_n_O_Hendo

You know, with all that shrouding on top, they look kind of top heavy.



Hehe, yes but as you can plainly see, the loco is no higher than an A or a Y6b. There is also shrouding on the sides which is closer to the "center of gravity".

I forget what metal N&W used for the shrouding (I'll look tonight).

I've heard some folks say it was top heavy but I've never seen anything to back this up.. The link above indicates that 611's center of gravity is 77" above the rail - I wonder how this compares to other locos?

I'm quite familiar with the Tug, there are some serious curves in this area. I should go back and read the results of some of the wreck investigations . . .



Edited by - NandW on 2004 December 06 09:46:30 AM

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